As far as harsh first posts go, that's pretty harsh.

I really enjoyed Mikey vs Havok. It had a lot of close 2-counts with a wide range of high impact moves. God everyone has their preferences you don't have to get all excited about it.

It had to take jag to finally drag a decent match out of havok, and personally i hope he stays in adelaide, we certainly won't miss him, we should swap him for slater, or someone else decent. .............. damien? damien slater? is that you?

I belive Havok had match of the night at last years R.A.

david hayter. I think you smell like a pigs bum. For shame.

a lot of close 2 counts doesnt make a match exciting and it degrades the value of finishing moves, and you cant blame the crowd reaction on tiredness cos the same thing happens in all of his matches, and the crowd was going nuts for jimmy and bobby long into the night. i'm not trying to create shitty controversy i just wanted to know if everyone's realised this, or know why he has the reputation he has, i mean he mustve been good back in the day....right??

i dont know if you watching the jimmy/bobby match, but they hit and kicked out of each others finishers about a million times. Double standards much?

nah nah i know it's cool and its a good shock when they kick out and stuff but i'm saying it doesn't make a match decent, and if that's the strongest selling point to that match it kinda proves my point a little

I think we should fight. It would be fun and make me smile.

i know you are but what am i

I didn't say that they were finishers before the 2-counts. Now your just assuming stuff. And it doesn't degrade finishers to kick out anyway, look at some of the huge encounters in WWE. WM 19: Jericho/Michaels, Angle/Lesnar, and Rock/Austin all have brilliant matches with multiple finishers kicked out of. WM 19 considered one of the best Wrestlemania's ever. WM 21: Orton/Undertaker, Angle/Michaels-multiple finishers No Way Out: Angle/Undertaker- multiple finishers WM 22: Triple H/John Cena King of the Ring 98- Undertaker/Mankind- Now are all of the things that happened in this match as crap as a punch because they didn't pin each other after? The list goes on but my points have been made. You have no real good reason to say that Havok is bad and just because you don't like someone or their style doesn't mean they are crap, just that you lack perspective. I'm not in the mood for having pissy little arguments anymore so you won't see me posting here again.

dirty harry that's fair enough but i kinda get the same impression from havok the crowd just never gets into his matches, i'm not saying hes useless he can do big moves and he can do them well, but he struggles and fumbles his way through all the technical stuff. he's just not that entertaining and a bit overrated

Havok's hard to chant, Carnage has the same probelm they're both solid but hard to get behind since they're usually facing guys smaller than they are and they don't really do spots.

Phrankie does have a point, I'm not saying I agree with all of the negative stuff but I agree that the crowd never really does get that much behind him. Which is disappointing because I do believe he is a good wrestler.