Is Havoc that overrated though? It always seemed like Jag was the rated one out of their team.

i dunno, Jag does have alot of "publicity" but i think that he performs well and lives up to the standard wheras Havok is kinda glorified and sometimes does not perform to his full potential. and jag has a cute butt ;)

please havok not live up to his potential are forgetting that great cage match last year...

if it hadn't been a cage match it would be totally different. anyone who fights in a cage match is going to be though highly of because it is more exciting

Havok's Cage Match?!?!
Do you people even know who Havok is??? Are you confusing him with FN Carnage or Azazal's cage match?! I just don't EVER recall Havok having a cage match in any fed, so correct me if I'm wrong, but I think you're accusing the wrong person of apparently being 'overrated'. And in any case, I don't think either Carnage OR Azazal are 'overrated'. So quite clearly, you've lost all credibility. -Skitz

I was thinking the same... maybe they got confused since the whole Carny VS Azazal cage match came right after Carny VS Havok in the weapons match. Maybe... or they could just be insane? But by no means are any of these three men... Havok, Carny or Azazal... over-rated. We're talking some of the most hardcore, hard hitting guys in EPW, and Australian wrestling. Sure, they're highly praised but can't no-one say they arent deserving of that praise. You ever been slammed onto a ladder? Been hit in the head with road signs? Fell and knackered yourself on a steel door frame? Stood in the middle of a huge crowd of people, with blood pooring down your face, fatigued and sore, while the sick bastards just laughed at your pain? And smiled about it? Hell no you havent. What do these guys ask from us in return? $13 or so dollars, and a little respect. That isnt over-rated baby, that's EPW. If you don't know that by now, you probably havent been to a show. Dru. But yes, Jag does have a much cuter butt than Havok.

The master of mayhem never dissapoints, anyone who has seen havok wrestle outside EPW or even in EPW will -*test*-('")ify to that.

Ever since i saw jag and havok at the mark has been made they have never dissapointed. they are always on the top of their game and always willing to risk their bodies to put on a good show... so no Havok is definately not overated. get footage of the mark has been made and you'll know why he isnt overrated.